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Highlander: Yeah, Ctrl-Alt-Del that...







From the dawn of time, it came. A movie before franchises were all studios seemed to care about, a film that was self-contained and had a compelling premise. It also had truckloads of awesomeness in the form of Sean Connery (for the young'uns out there, he's Indy's dad) and Clancy Brown (for the young'uns out there, he's the sarge that kept yelling 'medic' in Starship Troopers). It also had Christopher Lambert before his name became synonymous with "what's on the SciFi channel at 3am." There was swordfightin' and heads rollin' and some nudie scenes and a big scary guy in leather who just had one of the best "do NOT even MAKE me say 'leggo my Eggo'" vibes in film.

Naturally, they're going to re-make it. Before my geek knee-jerk reaction to remaking a film from my youth that has actually aged pretty well and remains watchable, I had a think and came up with some reasons pro and con for a Highlander remake.

The Case Against Remaking 'Highlander': "There can be only one." That was the tagline, and it described the film perfectly. There was a beginning, a middle, and an end. The good guy killed the bad guy, saved the girl, saved the world, and if it had stopped there, it would still be a classic and not something we remember as preceeding "Highlander 2: Sean Connery Should Have Read His Contract More Closely." It was bad enough arguing what was the worst Connery film between 'Zardoz' and 'Sword of the Valiant' without adding a third candidate.

No remake will be able to re-create the "Darth Vader before he was called Anakin" villain-cool that The Kurgan radiated everywhere. Brown's voice is iconic to the character in every way, and not even The Rock would do the role justice. Similarly, Sean Connery can't be beat, even if he is playing a Scottish Egyptian. The man played a Scottish Russian in "Hunt for Red October," and he pulled it off as well.

The music. You cannot have Highlander without Queen. Re-recording the songs from the soundtrack would probably give me more fits than casting a Wayans as Connor. Even the TV series knew it couldn't get away without bringing "Princes of the Universe" into the show. Somehow, I'd lay better than even odds that in the new movie, we'll get a version by Coldplay.

The special effects. After years of seeing CGI play across my retinas, that final quickening scene with its hand-drawn energy tendrils going everywhere is still a high water mark for FX craftsmanship and creative "let's just go completely nuts" visual fun.

So yes, it's far from perfect, but it's still one I'd gladly re-watch on DvD over many recent releases in the same genre.

The Case for Remaking 'Highlander': By today's standards, there are many rough edges in 'Highlander' that could use a bit of polish. While not embarassingly bad, the swordfighting choreography could be kicked up a few notches, perhaps even with a few Matrix-style camera swoops and, if I know my Hollywood, a slow-mo shot of a severed head ascending on a fountain of Quickening neck-lightning. There's also the casting for the original, which had a Frenchman playing a Scot, a Scot playing an Egyptian, and an American playing a Russian. I think they actually got an African to play an African, but since he dies pretty early on, it's not a big plus for the agent that got him the gig. I'm not entirely sure that we'd get a better array of nationalities as dictated by the script in a remake, but I can dream.

Side note: Many say that casting Lambert as a Scotsman was the worst mis-cast of his career. I disagree. That honor goes to whoever cast him as Raiden in "Mortal Kombat: The Movie," when it should have been one of these guys.

But the biggest factor of any for remaking the first film is that if Highlander is determined to remain an ongoing franchise, then it probably needs to retcon its first "episode" to not be the end of the story. As cool as the original film was, it's kind of hard to continue the tale of immortals vying for being the last one with a neck intact when supposedly the last one has already been cleaved. I didn't follow the TV series closely, as my brain rejected things like a woman in a cat-suit being able to pull a sword from the pocket of "malletspace" behind her head, but I understand that the writers of the show did some song-and-dance about the first film being a delusion on the part of Connor Macleod and that he didn't really get The Prize. Add to that the introduction of new players like "The Watchers" and 6,000 year old immortals that had gone previously unnoticed and it's only a matter of time before the path the Highlander mythos follows to get where it is today begins to look like a tesseract thats been put through a blender.

So if the studio that owns Clan Macleod is planning on rescuing Highlander before it plunges completely into the North Sea, then a reboot is probably a smart move, so long as they're actually planning for the future. It's being written by the same guys who did "Iron Man," so I'm willing to give it a chance... and I saw "Highlander 2" in a theater... that I paid to get into.

End Highlander Rantings

Whew! Thank goodnes my caffeine rush has ebbed. So how about Doctor Who last week, huh? Yeah, it wasn't the most incredible episode, but the semi-mockery of the British "TV mystery adaptation" genre was pretty amusing. The one to be broadcast on the 31st holds out some interesting "big set piece" concepts, in a Douglas Addams-like location, I think. Lastly, in UK geek-goodie bag, comes from Alert Reader Oliver who sends Radio 4 Interview (Real Audio link) with Pratchett.

There can't be only one (link). That would be boring:

- There's still time to enter the Name that Celebrity Sprite contest at Gamesradar. Name the game/platform each bit of celebrity graphics came from to win.
- Speaking of video games, we've got some more Ghostbusters console game footage. I want.
- A taste of future video game fun with this demo reel of a new engine for 'breaking stuff' in video games.
- I once attended a local con where a Warhammer tourney was being held, and a guy had decorated his minis with a panda motif. I think he would have met his match had THIS army been present.
- Time for a Kitteh break. Yes, it's cats on a treadmill.
- For the costumers/artists/crafters out there, this page shows you can do some interesting stuff by casting polyurithane. I wonder if you could make an LED-glowing sword or crystal out of that stuff?
- I love t-shirt slogans like "Of course bad things happen to good people. Bad things HATE good people." Here are some proverbs that offer similar wisdom.
- An interesting time-waster can be had with RocketMan. Click in the "sphere" around your launcher then guide the rocket to its target with the mouse without hitting any obstacles or running out of fuel.
- Another "spot the difference" game! Spot 6 Differences. I love these games, but they drive me mad...
- Yes, it's wrong. Yes, you disguise yourself as a tree. But it's also fun to Ignite People on Fire!


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[info]talinthas
2008-05-22 05:48 am UTC (link)
you know, i think the highlander TV show was way better than the movie.

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[info]ps238principal
2008-05-22 06:34 am UTC (link)
It became one of those "once it got going" things, where they'd had time to work on it. When I saw the first eps, it was kind of a "beheadding of the week" show.

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(no subject) - [info]hexar_le_saipe, 2008-05-22 12:23 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]word_geek
2008-05-22 11:40 am UTC (link)
I really enjoyed the series as well. Yes, you had to start out with a really big stretch...that there was another immortal Highlander from Clan MacLeod who also happened to carry a katana. And yes, there was gratuitous use of Hammerspace (which is evidently where all the beheaded bodies went, too). But what I liked about it was that a series had room to explore things about immortality that a movie never could -- how can an immortal love a mortal? Can a strong friendship between two immortals survive the centuries? How does someone raised in the 17th Century adapt to the 20th? What happens when an immortal is insane? Mentally deficient? A child? An old man? Plus, the fight choreography was better in the series, I thought.

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(no subject) - [info]ps238principal, 2008-05-22 07:15 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]frustratedpilot
2008-05-22 05:59 am UTC (link)
Re: Tuesday's "Backward Compatibility"...little nitpick. The bird toy needs to have a glass of water to bob its nose into, eh? At least that's how I remember it working.

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[info]ps238principal
2008-05-22 06:35 am UTC (link)
He was trying to give the metronome a chance to win. :)

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"In brightest day, in blackest night....
[info]knalty
2008-05-22 07:31 am UTC (link)
...no evil shall escape my sight! Let those who worship evil's might, beware my power.. Green Lantern's light!"

Take those polyurethane casting skills and make one o' these! =D

They use resin, but I don't see why the technique couldn't be adapted.

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-Green-Lantern-ring--including-a-glow/

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Re: "In brightest day, in blackest night....
[info]ps238principal
2008-05-22 07:16 pm UTC (link)
There goes MY weekend... :)

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Re: "In brightest day, in blackest night.... - [info]spotweld, 2008-05-23 02:19 am UTC (Expand)
Re: "In brightest day, in blackest night.... - [info]ps238principal, 2008-05-23 05:46 pm UTC (Expand)
Hello Kitteh
[info]kevinbunny
2008-05-22 07:42 am UTC (link)
I have to wonder if that was inspired by an old, old bit of artwork I'd seen floating about.. Was basically the old 40K cover with Hello Kitty and Keroppi heads swapped in, with the title: In the grim future of Hello Kitty, there is only war.

Friend of mine actually made a Space Marine with that theme, and it was on display at the local hobby shop for many months.

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Fizzix Engine
[info]kevinbunny
2008-05-22 07:44 am UTC (link)
Oooh... ahhh... Coool...

Very nice stuff, though I have to wonder what the render time is on those things. No *way* that's realtime, on the fly. If we see that, it's going to be like the prerendered explosions in HL2:Episode Two.

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Re: Fizzix Engine
[info]ps238principal
2008-05-22 07:21 pm UTC (link)
Those programmers are clever beasties. I wish I could find the link, but someone had come up with a Crysis-looking engine that would only render what you could "see" from your POV. So if a barrel blocked your view of a house, the game would save processor grief by not rendering it.

Of course, that sounds like the old Atari trick on "Pac-Man" where they made the "ghosts" flicker to keep its 4k brain from exploding. :)

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[info]styfen
2008-05-22 10:16 am UTC (link)
Remakes have to stop. I was browsing the pilots for the various networks and the number of TV remakes is staggering. Not only are the American Networks remaking their own shows (Cupid), they're re-making a massive amount of BBC ones - Life on Mars, Spaced, Some Mothers do 'ave them, Roman's Empire, Worst Week of my Life and Outnumbered.

It's like Hollywood & TV.Land has entered a stage of decline and is either out of good ideas or too afraid to use them. I should just get on with writing an original sitcom (I do in fact have solid ideas, just lazy) and then remake it myself!

Anyway, rant aside I did enjoy the Doctor Who ep last week, though it was almost certainly the weakest one this season. I can't help but feel it would have been better without the giant wasp in it. That felt just tacked on for whatever reason. The actress playing Agatha Christie was brilliant and The Doctor and Donna's interactions have just improved from length to length.

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Those guys of hollywood make sense.
(Anonymous)
2008-05-22 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Think that if you want to spend $x millions in a movie, then you want some warrant, and today neither the overexpensive actor or the overhyped director can ensure a enough profit. So, the bet are put more in a successful story form a comic, a famous book, a foreign show or an old franchise.

In hollywood, things are gone pretty bad with some (many) movies, so you can't expected any innovative movie right now.


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(no subject) - [info]ps238principal, 2008-05-22 07:22 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]hezaaezaa
2008-05-22 01:43 pm UTC (link)
I have to object strongly to a highlander remake solely on the basis that the last movie (not Endgame, but the scifi channel original) was bad enough to make highlander 2 seem watchable.

However I am looking forward to the highlander next gen game theyre making (it was in game informer a while back)

Just had to putt that out there. Also despite being some of the most miscast accents in film history, I loved Connery and Lambert Sean Connery's Scottish brogue and Lambert's graveley voice which can only have come from the plane of earth were some of the best part of those movies. They...just...sounded...awesome

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Highlander Continuity
(Anonymous)
2008-05-22 01:45 pm UTC (link)
I believe that as far as continuity goes, they finally just said that each movie, the tv-series, and the cartoon was it's own separate continuity so there's a veritable Highlander multiverse out there.

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Re: Highlander Continuity
[info]greykev
2008-05-22 06:39 pm UTC (link)
I've heard the first movie referred to as the "mini-quickening" either in the TV series or the write-up for the cardgame.

Basically the explanation was that a number of high-power Immortals (i.e. ones who had taken a bunch of heads) all happened to be in physical proximity and their quickenings drove them to off each other. Connor, as the beneficiary of all that power gained immense insight, but not the actual prize.

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[info]sjthespian
2008-05-22 03:43 pm UTC (link)
As someone who works in the industry, I'm a firm believer that remakes and sequels are evil. I think Walt Disney said it best: "I've never believed in doing sequels. I didn't want to waste the time I have doing a sequel; I'd rather be using that time doing something new and different.” There are so many stories I just don't understand why anyone would want to re-tell an existing one (other than to make a buck -- that is obvious)

Unfortunately, the studios have realized that audiences will almost automatically go to see a sequel or remake if the original was any good. This of course has led to abominations like Highlander 2 (I am also embarrassed to say that I paid money to see that dreck in a theatre), and any of the Disney animated direct-to-video sequels.

That aside, working in a business where every discussion about a film starts with the f-word (no, not *that* f-word -- "franchise"), I can see why they are doing this. That doesn't mean that I think it's a good idea, and/or that I agree with it.

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[info]ps238principal
2008-05-22 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Was it in "Scream 2" that they had the small list of rare sequels that were as good as or better than the original? My own list, coulpled with those I remember would include "Aliens," "Terminator 2," and "Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey." :)

How much, I wonder, do studios plan out what a film property will/could make beyond its existence as a movie? Toys, t-shirts, air fresheners, etc.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2008-05-22 08:16 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ps238principal, 2008-05-22 10:14 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]styfen, 2008-05-23 07:49 am UTC (Expand)
Depends on what you mean by Sequel - (Anonymous), 2008-05-22 10:37 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]roninspoon
2008-05-22 03:49 pm UTC (link)
I don't like the sound of all this.

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[info]greykev
2008-05-22 06:32 pm UTC (link)
Have you seen these? I wonder what the quality is like.

http://www.firebox.com/product/1401/USB-Turntable

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[info]ps238principal
2008-05-22 07:29 pm UTC (link)
I don't know about that one specifically, but Phil Foglio had one at his house and he said he loved it. I've thought about getting one, as Cristi found a trove of children's "story time" records at a library sale she'd like to use in her classroom. What would clinch it for me is how well the included software could edit out the pops and scratches.

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Will smith & scientology
(Anonymous)
2008-05-22 06:50 pm UTC (link)
Anybody remember the time Wildstorm's the Authority took on Super-Scientology?
It was controlled by a white-haired tom cruise lookalike with viral psychic charm powers who got stronger with every person hypnotized.

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Re: Will smith & scientology
[info]ps238principal
2008-05-22 07:29 pm UTC (link)
I believe I have that collection. Now I have an excuse to re-read my trades. :)

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Wait, is that. . . Peter Petrelli?
(Anonymous)
2008-05-22 10:27 pm UTC (link)
That is to say, Milo Ventimiglia from Heroes, in the 'ad' (yes, I realize it's a joke) for the Highlander remake? Or is that one of the previous Highlander actors? I have to confess I'm no hardcore Highlander fan, though I did see the movie and some episodes of the tv series. But, it's been a few years since I've last seen any of those.

If that's not Milo, then Milo looks an awful lot like whoever that is.

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About Highlander 2....
[info]gomi_no_sempai
2008-05-22 11:14 pm UTC (link)
Highlander 2: The sickening
"There should have only been one."

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[info]spotweld
2008-05-23 02:28 am UTC (link)
re: The Wasp and the Unicorn. It was a fun episode, but I think it suffered a bit for me as an American viewer. There was were so many characters that I just felt the whole thing was a bit rushed. I suspect it is because I never grew up with those mysteries and I didn't twig onto them quickly enough (I did get the Cluedo reference) Donna looked great as a flapper though.

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[info]synabetic
2008-05-23 03:45 am UTC (link)
I'm kinda in the same boat you are...
On one hand, I'd like to see it all stop. Even the well-written comics coming out right now are bogged down by crappy Highlander sequels etc. And I do like the TV show. More than the movies, usually.

Anyway, I can't see how a reboot would hurt. It's a great high concept. I figure if they're gonna do any more Highlander property fiddling, they should do a reboot.

And add ROM.

Okay, that's just me... But it could work...
Right. Maybe not.

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[info]silverforce
2008-05-23 04:13 am UTC (link)
I find it amusing that this week's Nodwick features a Hench Games comic that features an Indiana Jones bit. Nice Timing.

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[info]ps238principal
2008-05-23 05:41 pm UTC (link)
I wish I could take credit for planning that, but I have to chalk it up to chance. :)

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Warhammer Armies
[info]carl_fishman
2008-05-23 06:51 am UTC (link)
After seeing Prince Caspian (why are the Narnia movies so much better than the LOTR movies?) I want to see the Big Battle played out in Warhammer. I'm thinking Empire (without any gunpowder) for the Telmarines (who look amazingly like Conquistadors, or Bizarro's Lost Legion), and maybe Wood Elves for the Narnians? (With fauns and satyrs with bows standing in for archers; minotaurs, bears, etc. for melee elves; centaurs for cavalry; griffins for hawk riders and trees for trees! But I'm not sure how to model Reepicheep!)

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Just out of random curiosity...
[info]chaotic_nipple
2008-05-23 02:26 pm UTC (link)
.... Visually, are the Von Foggs, Senior and Junior, supposed to be based on Phil Foglio?

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Re: Just out of random curiosity...
[info]ps238principal
2008-05-23 05:38 pm UTC (link)
Oh, indeed. I even gave the Foglio clan the "Victor VonFogg's Gygax-O-Tron" t-shirts from Egyptian Campaign. :)

In return, both myself and some fairly Nodwick-y character have appeared in "Girl Genius." I think I got killed somewhere along the way...

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[info]songofnewday
2008-05-23 04:52 pm UTC (link)
The Doctor Who news that had me pretty much turning handsprings this week was that Steve Moffat will be taking over from Russel T Davies as executive producer after next year's specials.

Steve has written a number of episodes of the new series - The Empty Child, The Girl in the Fireplace and the distinctly unnerving Blink. RTD said that he normally made changes to most writers scripts but that he never dared to touch any of Steve's.

Apparently Steve is quoted as saying that his entire career up to this point has been a secret plan to get this job.

Steve also wrote Press Gang and the comedy series Coupling, which left one of my friends curled up into a small ball crying with laughter when we showed him the Truth Helmet episode.

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(Anonymous)
2008-05-23 05:22 pm UTC (link)
That is FANTASTIC. Blink is my favorite Doctor Who episode, and definitely near the top of my list for any TV or Movie.

Has David Tennant agreed to stay on? I remember reading somewhere that he would move on whenever Russel T Davies did.

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[info]captaingeek
2008-05-23 06:16 pm UTC (link)
I'm not going to go through all the comments to see if this has been mentioned, but one of the worst Sean Connery movies has to be League of Extra-Ordinary Gentlemen.

Well, it was pretty aweful compared to the original story. I suppose that if the comic had never been made, the movie would not have sucked quote so much.

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[info]ps238principal
2008-05-23 06:22 pm UTC (link)
Kind of funny story: Scott Kurtz once called me up, saying that he'd watched LXG on DvD, after hearing how bad it was. He was surprised that it wasn't "Battlefield Earth" bad, and had been an okay diversion.

Unfortunately, he then remembered another Sean Connery film he'd heard was stinky-poo and wondered if it, as well, wasn't as awful as he'd heard. He then admitted it had been a mistake to rent and watch "The Avengers."

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Ghostbusters
(Anonymous)
2008-05-24 05:11 am UTC (link)
Here's an interview with the owner of Terminal Reality on Gamasutra:

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18671

It talks a little bit about the whole confusion thing with Zootfly and the original demo released on youtube about a year and a half ago.

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About that Highlander remake
(Anonymous)
2008-05-29 03:28 pm UTC (link)
From Spyone:

There are movies that became classics for reasons that had nothing to do with their story or script, and those are the ones that don't get remade. Usually they rose to greatness do to the collaboration of talents working on them, which can be a very tricky thing to recreate.
For example, Casablanca is revered not for its interesting setting, nor for the originality of it's story (which wasn't very original), but for the performances turned in by the actors involved, who worked well together, and many of whom turned in the best performance of their life. If you were trying to recreate Casablanca, you'd have to find a large group of people who "clicked" together, each of whom was exactly suited to their part.

What made the movie Highlander work was the unique collaboration between the director and the band Queen.
Queen had done some iconic soundtrack work before, and had produced hits over a wide band of the musical spectrum, giving them the chops to range from the ballad "Who Wants to Live Forever" to the metallic "Give Me The Prize". They had the writing skills to produce a song basically on demand ("I'm thinking of something hard rock for this scene, but it should clearly reference the main character"), and were ready to take on the project of doing all of the songs for a soundtrack.
The director had never done a feature film before, and this combined with his background doing music videos to give him a very fresh idea of how the soundtrack can play a role in the story.
I have heard a hollywood music director say that, if you were not consciously aware of the music in scene, he had done his job right. I see his point, but there is an equally valid flip-side: if you cannot picture that scene in your head without also hearing the music, then the music has become an integral part of the experience.
Many music videos are that way: the music and the images integrate in a way that makes each an equal part of the overall experience.

The result is a movie that was well described as being almost a feature-length music video: the music was an integral part of the experience.


That's going to be really hard to recreate.

"But the biggest factor of any for remaking the first film is that if Highlander is determined to remain an ongoing franchise, then it probably needs to retcon its first "episode" to not be the end of the story."
Actually, to both my brother and me that was a big part of the appeal of the series. For the first couple of seasons, we were convinced that we were watching the story of a good man who was, ultimately, doomed: he wasn't going to be one of the last 5, because he wasn't in the movie.


In an almost unrelated comment: Remember albums that weren't just a collection of songs, but that taken as a whole told a story through music? I think somebody should do that again, and also do the same thing with their videos: each taken separately is good, but the entire "video album" is like a feature film, telling a bigger story through little scenes.
Not that I think such things are easy, but .... "We do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard." There is a lot more pride from doing a good job on something difficult than from doing a good job on something easy. And I think some of today's album producers are up to the task.

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Re: About that Highlander remake
[info]ps238principal
2008-05-29 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Fully agreed about what make movies great. I still love watching the cheese-ball "Flash Gordon" for both Queen and the over-the-top acting of Brian Blessed.

And I've talked with many people about the idea of an album being a total work. I've got the soundtracks to both "Highlander" and "Flash Gordon," as well as the "art-rock" albums by Pink Floyd and the Beatles that hung together on a central theme. Sadly, in this day and age, everyone is looking for "the hit single" that will catapult them into the next iPod commercial. Plus, with the single-track system of distribution (itunes or P2P), few people seem interested in a body of work.

Now, that could change; I mean, "The Wall" has hit singles, and they're part of a larger "story" in music. I guess the concept-album is just a harder sell?

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